I have already sent him a link privately to your post. I promise you He will come to you. Second, when I pray from the other side of my bed, from where I dedicated it and from where I first exercised the true order of prayer as I have now learned it and practiced it in my home, I feel that my bed is different, that I should offer the signs of the priesthood first and then use one of the signs as I pray. I now know why the Brethren have not taught this openly. But those who do, and seek these things should not be scrutinized for righteous desires. Bill, maybe Snuffer was being a bit cheeky. Maybe, just maybe, the true order of prayer allows us to effectively organize the mortal / material, into a reorganized conduit for the eternal? See more ideas about lds quotes, the church of jesus christ, prayers. Consequently, I’ll add my last initial from here on out, so there is no confusion about who’s writing what. Not that it makes too much difference since the Salt Lake Temple is slightly to the left from my bed and the Netherlands Temple is slightly to the right, I could include both without really trying. Nothing wrong with that, but just normal, standard prayers. I hate to say it, but unless she asks…well, enough said. I have been deceived along my path, and I will be deceived…so be it! I am in the process of converting to become mormon. We humans don’t learn best in a vacuum–we learn through interactions, connections with others. BTW… Did you build the alter you used? He spent two years in Central America as a missionary. Every morning and every evening, we should kneel together in humility, giving each family member frequent opportunities to say the prayer and uniting in gratitude for the blessings Heavenly Father has given us. If it crosses the line to tell me I’m fine with that too. 😉, Ah!… Somehow I missed completing the though that “I posed some questions to a friend about this basic topic… hard to do over great distances though.”, Tim, thank you for sharing the details of your prayer, it gives me great peace to know the LORD knows and loves li’l ol’ Tim in California USA. The words and the way they are used in the Book of Mormon by the Lord should become our source of understanding and should be used by us in teaching gospel principles. As we make a habit of approaching God in prayer, we will come to know Him and draw ever nearer to Him. I sung the hymn “In humility” with great spiritual intention “Fill my heart with sweet forgiving, teach me tolerance and love…Let my prayers find access to thee, in the thy holy courts above…Then when I have proven worthy of thy sacrifice divine…Lord, let me regain thy presence, Let thy glory round me shine…” I’ve resisted (and put on hold) doing what you’ve done because of President Kimball’s letter on the topic. The moon we love like a brother, while he glows through the room, Dancin’ around the lies we tell It’s been two generations since LDS prayer circles were cast out of the world and relegated to temple-ritual status. It has to do with knowing your spouse. I’m writing this for my journal as I share this with you. Your post has answered a prayer for me, and the spirit has testified of that you have spoken truth. The ‘committee’. This council was given to those members of the “anointed quorum” in Nauvoo. I’m overwhelmed by the response and thank everyone for the emails. Only pure knowledge that greatly enlarges the soul without hypocrisy or guile. If your observances have brought you “to have the privilege of receiving the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, to have the heavens opened unto them, to commune with the general assembly and church of the Firstborn, and to enjoy the communion and presence of God the Father, and Jesus the mediator of the new covenant,” then you have set an example worth emulating. So this makes a lot of sense. Now having said that — if any of this is necessary (movement, hand gestures, clothing), what could these practices or objects symbolically be representing? You have reminded me of some things I have known for years but have not practice. He is the most important voice we are to heed. I want to honor you in the sense of your gift, love of truth, love of rightness, of God … of the Holy Ghost. Perhaps the experience would be different had I been wearing the robes of the priesthood. 29 And now behold, I say unto you that the right way is to believe in Christ, and deny him not; and Christ is the Holy One of Israel; wherefore ye must bow down before him, and worship him with all your might, mind, and strength, and your whole soul; and if ye do this ye shall in nowise be cast out. It’s a sacred experience to me. It’s worth a quick google to study the attributes of the subconscious and conscious mind – that are both within you. (Matthew 13:45). If you have ever studied the subconscious and conscious mind, this makes sense. 3 Nephi 19:13 I knew it was being recorded. For further details, see the rest of Alma 18 beyond what I have already cited (particularly verse 41), Alma 22:7-18, Moses 6:47-68, and D&C 19:31. I told the Stake President I was not correlated…he kept my and my wife’s recommends until I return and tell him I am correlated and “perfectly aligned with the brethren.” My wife told me to find a new church. I have already thanked the individual who gave me the final key to making the true order of prayer work for me in my own home. LDS Quotations is a resource for quotes on Prayer and 100s of other topics for talk or lesson prep, or just to browse. That prohibition is another step in severing our links to the eternities. Amen. On the other hand, practice makes perfect. We’re on each other’s team My husband is not there yet. You can find him online every day on various internet communities and blogs, especially in the tech area. “The Lorde said to me the other day…”. Thanks to all for sharing your experiences. Nick Literski says: ... who were fully ignorant of the history and insisted that this ritual had never been performed outside of LDS temples. We can silently express gratitude to our Father and ask Him to strengthen us in our responsibilities. I love this kind of powerful prayer. Jesus revealed that we pray to a wise Father who knows what things we have need of, before we ask Him. I can show you quote after quote where our Prophets and Apostles have said exactly the opposite – that we must not believe or do ONLY what the Brethren “allow” unless the Lord bears witness to us that it is the right thing for us at this time in our lives. Her determination is a strength to me. I’ve been praying for those who will speak. “I don’t feel I can remove it unless I again ask the Lord’s counsel. … It is a house of God. The prayer course taught here is based on a structure of the Four Steps of Prayer which are the following four elements in sequence: 1. When done, kneel down, follow Brigham’s instructions above in which sign you use and pray out loud. Now bring my boys in I hope the spirit bears witness. I sensed a door, or rather a portal opening, and the presence of a recorder. He can help us pray “according to the will of God” (Doctrine and Covenants 46:30). I almost always email my sister and discuss it with her. I always dismissed it as, “Something we only do in the temple.” After reading your post I followed your counsel this morning and was granted a sweet taste of heavenly communion that I have never felt while praying. Thank you for this blog Tim and again bringing it to my attention. I guess that’s because I‘m not used to such power. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working. No, you do not need to dedicate it more than once, or at least that has been my experience so far. I was endowed in the good old days – 1976. I am now emboldened enough to try it next time if the Lord so inspires me. I gave her some counsel that I’m not sure she liked and offered to give her a priesthood blessing. We have been preparing everything Make sure you are standing as you do so. Here’s a nice post about the family altar from blogger Jonathan Stapley back in 2006 as found on the LDS group blog, By Common Consent: http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/07/14/the-family-altar/. I second what Mark posted this morning: the things you’re describing can be done spiritually, as well. I just came across your blog a few days ago, and I’m glad I’ve done so. The Lord will bless you for your obedience to Him. I read most of it last night but will take another look this evening to see what it says about children participating in family prayer circles where the signs of the priesthood are used. Tim is a computer technology professional providing desktop support, network administration and systems management in the Small and Medium Business market. What I like about this post and discussion is that it will encourage some to look into the meaning and importance of the order of prayer and the associated symbols. It is not something that requires special ceremonial clothing, or ceremonial signs and tokens, or reserved ceremonial words. She was so thrilled to look over at me sitting there in the Garden room as I sat next to my dad. Reverent steps including fasting will strengthen your faith and reliance upon the Lord. Quickly, a three day festival showing numerous short films, typically about nature, outdoors, climbing, challenging fears, awareness of this incredible creation earth!! Of course I especially look forward each conference to Elder Perry’s talk. I’m no Denver Snuffer, but if given the opportunity to defend what I’ve done, I will teach what I’m allowed by the Lord and if the Stake President consents, but will probably respond thusly if asked to remove the post or the blog: “President, you know I love you and don’t want to cause you any difficulties. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us. 2.4K likes. TIm, you mentioned another post about a different topic coming soon, that wasn’t the update in the comments was it? Where did Christ say heaven was which the listeners couldn’t understand? I couldn't believe that after a lifetime in the Church as an active and fully believing member I hadn't been taught the "true order of prayer", or rather the True Order of Prayer. Also then what goes on in the temple is suppose to go on within us individually(in this life). I don’t believe that only one side of the bed is an altar, rather part of the order is facing the source of greatest light – you even see this in the Temple ceromony in that saying the prayer faces the Celestial Room. The scriptures are tips of icebergs that only by revelation do they reveal vast bodies of truth that the prophets are trying to relay. Thank you for following the promptings of the Spirit. I’m really blown away…. Personally, I would prefer to have a proper altar, I am just not too sure where I could place it in my home. You do not need a current temple recommend. I would also prefer to have a proper altar in my home, but I do not have a space that can be dedicated, meaning, it will be used for nothing else but the true order of prayer. Great post! I intend to make it sure. This is my calling and election. I perform this ordinance out loud. There are many who can contribute here without breaking any covenants. Good scriptures. I was fasting for one of my home teaching families as we gave the father another priesthood blessing. I look forward to your report in this regard, as allowed, Tim. I am simply overwhelmed with emotion. It really is simple. For English, click on Gospel Library. Prayer is the act by which the will of the Father and the will of the child are brought into correspondence with each other. Is it really about physical objects in this mortal “holodeck”? I’m not sure if I can write the things I feel in my heart right now. Confession OK. I’ve taught you – now for my testimony and witness. Wow! Thank you for posting this! The power of godliness is manifest through ordinances. At times, Heavenly Father will counsel, guide, or comfort us while we are on our knees. There is nothing wrong with prepared words as long as they are from the heart, mind, and will of Christ. I am so pleased that you chose to talk about this. (I used to fully believe in the teaching that the Church would not be allowed to fall into a general apostasy again in these last days, but as I’ve become more familiar with the scriptures, I’ve found no such promise–though that doesn’t necessarily mean it WILL fall, either.) 31 And king Lamoni said: Is it above the earth? It seems that the whole gospel, entire scriptures,every prophet–all the temples and ordinances are trying to get us to one point… to gain a connection with Heaven. know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? log, Thank you!! Hello fellow Saints! Because He knows what is best for us, He may sometimes answer no, even when our petitions are sincere. Jesus taught us how. Yeah there are several reasons why we veil our faces! It is not a secret. I have been trying to get it written over the last two days. I disagree with the way the church has ingrained it into our minds that we can’t talk about the temple except in the temple. I’m also in complete agreement that the tradition of never speaking of anything from the temple outside of its walls is a tragic loss. I’m looking forward to hearing from President Monson, our prophet. 8 And it came to pass, as they understood they cast their eyes up again towards heaven; and behold, they saw a Man descending out of heaven; and he was clothed in a white robe; and he came down and stood in the midst of them; and the eyes of the whole multitude were turned upon him, and they durst not open their mouths, even one to another, and wist not what it meant, for they thought it was an angel that had appeared unto them. Adam and Eve, (body and spirit) are at one with each other, and Peter offers up the prayer (mind of God). Please don’t leave a comment telling me I’ve violated my covenants. The Church advises that a simple prayer should follow four basic steps: Address God as "Father in Heaven" or "Heavenly Father." She is hanging onto what gives her comfort. To finish answering your last two questions, I don’t know about asking for something in the past or the future. In any case, the result was the opening of the heavens and the ministration of angels. I don’t believe it was. Likewise, you will not receive true messengers until you offer obedience and sacrifice that shows the Lord you are serious about parting the veil and conversing with him. I have been pondering and praying about what I could possibly say to you. During Sunday’s prayer I was at perfect peace, felt great confidence and solemnity. Have you considered what the other parts are? This answers other questions I had as well. Remember we are a temple– “What? @ log 11:34 am … thank you! I know there is way more to it. I can think of two off the top of my head but I’m sure there is one more I’m forgetting. The members of the circle repeat the words of the prayer. Opens one up to deeper mysteries. When all three are present, the heavens are opened. But since I hit planet earth, this time around, burned into my body and soul is a deep testimony of identity and relationship; who I am here, and who I am there. Hi SFort. I love what you had to say about loving and sustaining those who lead this church. They’re in their finery There is more for me to consider as I try to understand, but I just thought I’d share this without comment as I consider other questions, but I will seek more light and knowledge. I don’t know how I knew other than I saw the angel in my mind’s eye and felt his presence. The Lord gave me an assignment Monday morning as I was driving to work. Fifteen years is a long time, and I’ve missed thousands of hours of discussion with my husband and friends as I’ve driven to and from the temple (a 90 minute trip), spent time talking together in the evenings, etc. She prepared me in so many ways. We live in cities you’ll never see on screen While the Netherlands Temple is close to me, I choose to face the Salt Lake Temple since in its dedication prayer it talks about those who face it while praying. I know what it is. It also includes the signs of the priesthood. My favorite one being JOSEPH SMITH’S QUORUM OF THE ANOINTED, 1842-1845 . (Why else would we all be here on earth, together, for this mortal test? I’m glad to see you have figured it out. My request was approved. very differently. I’m sharing this in an open public forum with the Lord’s permission. After my email (to Tim) last night, I continued to contemplate things and had a conversation with my dear friend back home (the only person other than my wife I feel I can breach this subject) in which we agree we are both profoundly interested in this topic. The application of this principle will vary according to different languages. I prayed this morning…literally giving my pain and heartache to the Savior Jesus Christ. I am doing so. “That order also defines bounds of revelation. She made it sure. We (members of the church), we have become so dogmatic, and addicted to rules, steps, processes. Because of that Satan had sent visitors through the portal who tormented me. That phrase is troublesome every time I hear it – “perfectly aligned with the Brethren.” There’s just something wrong with that. I hope more church members will realize the opportunity they’re passing by. I judge all my prayers by two sacred early prayers in my life at age 17 where I fasted and pled with the Lord for forgiveness of my youthful sins. The other reason is much deeper and it will take time and much pondering to receive. I only last year gave up the last 250 names to the temple to be done. Alma counseled his son Helaman: “Cry unto God for all thy support; yea, let all thy doings be unto the Lord, and whithersoever thou goest let it be in the Lord; yea, let all thy thoughts be directed unto the Lord; yea, let the affections of thy heart be placed upon the Lord forever. Denver Snuffer may have seen Jesus Christ already and in some areas may be further along the path than you but you are as important as him. I can testify the first paragraph has been true for me all my life. Adam = conscious mind. 11 I knew it was being heard and recorded. Ask specific questions. I have received inspiration all my life, but this was powerful. She said she was pondering it. He meant nothing by it. I have been waiting for this information for a couple of months. even a house of prayer, a house of fasting, a house of faith, a house of learning, a house of glory, a house of order, a house of God. She taught me to love the temple. Moses on the mount 40 days, and the Israelites wandering 40 years. I immediately felt something I have difficulty describing, but have felt before so I recognized it immediately. Denver relates what a heavy price that is, though, “I did not have any idea the difficulties and sacrifices involved in trading faith for knowledge. Thank ou that is beautiful! I hope everyone enjoys conference and can come away feeling uplifted and inspired. You gotta think that God might be tired of the many repetitive/vain prayers offered every day/night in which we even put ourselves to sleep sometimes:). This was specifically for me, my present calling and election and what the Lord expected of me to make it sure. BTW, in my mind there is a difference between the TOP and the OP as currently taught. Third, something has happened to my dreams since I dedicated my bed as an altar to the Lord. In fact, you do not need to be a member of the LDS Church. I don’t want to be the means of causing others to lose faith. : I wish you well bringing forth your rose, which in my view, is the same as making your calling and election sure. You see, my parents were both incredibly active in Temple service. Our children will learn to communicate with their Father in Heaven. It is subtle but powerful and will affect everything you do from that day forward. If the Savior in former days laid His hands upon His disciples, why not in latter days? Annalea, it is possible to discuss matters in the holy temple 🙂 there are study rooms and corridors with chairs. Well, it does! I’m pretty sure that we use certain symbols (ie words, scriptures, etc.) I’ve been through several different blogs, and so far I like yours the most, in that you seem the most “on the level.” By that, I mean in your disagreements with some aspects of the Church, you don’t reject the most important things. I’m kinda older than I was when I revelled without a care log April 6 @ 11:34 am “I was asked by a young fellow about sustaining leaders in the upcoming general conference. Trust me, because of her teachings and example, I understood it and loved it. I knelt, made the second sign and began to pray aloud. Not having attended church or the temple in recent years is not a hindrance. I have sat in many Gospel Doctrine and High Priest Group Meetings where even long-time temple workers were hesitant to say anything of detail even when the lesson was specifically about the temple. (Hey buddy,… you reading this?) Even Denver, continues to give the children of Israel exactly what they want … volumes and volumes and volumes of scriptures and commandments. They must wait to participate in these kinds of circles until they have received their own endowment. It is so contrary to what the Brethren used to teach us. I’ve wanted to know that for years. While we are speaking of the temple…I’ve always wondered the reason we veil our faces. The members of the circle repeat the words of the prayer. He will speak to you in His own way and His own time. I’ve read one account where Eve is compared to the Physical body, Adam to the Spirit that lives with in the body, and those sent to give us instruction as the Mind (of God), that part of God that is within us that we are able to receive when the body and spirit are unified. Thank you for this post. Thanks for asking and for reading my blog. I now know for myself this works. 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